Biblical Standards for Business with Darren Shearer

How do we set industry standards as Christian believers in the marketplace?

It’s not about ‘kill the competition’ or ‘grind and hustle’. Setting the standard means we live our lives according to Word of God. We are not motivated by selfish ambition but rather the fruits of the spirit.

As the body of Christ we are supposed to be the best representation in the world. Our great commission is to offer discipleship so that others can follow the true example of how Jesus would treat his friends, family, colleagues and employees.

It is not just our pastors job, but everyone is responsible for discipling and showing a good example of what Christ like behaviour looks like. Looking like Jesus will shape culture!

Darren Shearer is a publisher, podcaster, author and entrepreneur who helps Christians in the Marketplace.

Listen in to what Darren has to say to help you set the standard in your industry.

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Guest Bio

Darren Shearer is the founder and CEO of High Bridge Books and Media, host of the Theology of Business Podcast, creator of the Biblical Standards for Businesses course, and author of three books, including The Marketplace Christian and Marketing Like Jesus.

A former captain in the US Air Force, Darren earned the United States Air Force Commendation Medal for his meritorious service in Kuwait during Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Darren holds an MA in Practical Theology from Regent University (Virginia Beach, VA) and an Advanced Graduate Certificate in Management from Pace University (New York, NY).

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Speaker 2: How do we set industry standards? I think anyone in business, uh, wants to, wants to weed their industry. They want to be setting industry standards. It’s not about kill the competition as a Christian. It’s about setting the standard and going to the word of God into the wedding, the Holy Spirit guidance into our accounting practices, into our risk management practices in leadership, and manage all these different concepts that are so important in business.

Speaker 1: Welcome to the Mimika TV. I’m your host Mimika Cooney. Today we talking about biblical standards for business. Darren Shearer is the founder and CEO of High bridge books,host of the theology of business podcast and the creator of the biblical standards for business course. He’s the author of three books, including the marketplace, Christian and marketing like Jesus. Captain in the US air force, Darren earned United States Air Force Commendation Medal for his service in the Kuwait during Operation Iraq Freedom. Darren holds two degrees, one in practical theology and an advance graduate certificate in management. So I am so excited to be able to introduce guarantee to everybody today. So welcome to the show.

Speaker 2: Thanks for having me to me cause I’m excited to be here.

Speaker 1: Well it’s always fun to chat to another podcast because you know how fun these conversations are and how much content and relevancy we can pull out of them. So I’m flipping the switch on you this time and I’m going to be asking the questions today. So this is going to be super fun. Now I heard about you through a couple of other people as well as your book, the market pays question, which I think is so relevant to today and I know with what you’re doing today it’s really, really went to what my audience would love to hear about as how do we walk out our faith as business owners, as Christians in the marketplace. Because this, I don’t think there’s any definition or any kind of framework that’s out there, but we are really going to dive into some great content and Darren’s going to share that with you today. But before we get into the juicy bits, tell everybody about your story and how you got doing what you’re doing today.

Speaker 2: Sure. So I grew up, my dad is a pastor and my pastor growing up and so I was that rebellious preacher’s kid, kind of the stereotypical P K and that some of us can relate to. And my mindset, although this wasn’t communicated to me explicitly, my mindset was ministry with something that happens inside the four walls of a, of a local church. Even though my dad was doing prolife activism and things like that outside of the church, I didn’t, I certainly didn’t have a paradigm for understanding what ministry looks like in the marketplace where most of us probably at in the US. 85% of us spend the majority of our waking hours. And then when I joined the air force, I still kinda had this mindset that if I was doing ministry, it was through my local church or you know, I was working in the parking lot in ministry, I was playing guitar on the music team and I use the term music team not to take anything away from the worship that happens because it is worship.

Speaker 2: It’s all worship, right? And what we’re doing right now really cause we’re giving glory to God in what we’re doing. I just used those terms selectively and people will probably pick up on that as we, as we chat here today. And, but I was leaving the air force base on this particular day, driving over the railroad tracks, leaving Barksdale air force base. And as I was driving, the Lord spoke to me and said this base is your ministry, this air force base is your ministry. And from that day forward, I had a paradigm shift to realize that my workplace really was the primary place. And we said that time I was single, I didn’t have a family. That was the primary place where God had called me to be his ambassador. And, and then I went to seminary with that mindset that I’m not necessarily going to be going into church planting or anything like that. I’m going into business, but I’m going to be, and I want to also help Christians to understand a theology of business. That was, of course they did not teach in seminary, but what is God’s mind about business? What is on God’s heart? What is the way, what are the ways in wills of God as it pertains to our work and business? And that’s the path I’ve been on today as an entrepreneur as well.

Speaker 1: So definitely it’s kind of like we have this idea, especially if you grew up in the church at this is this is church and this is rural, and then the two shall not meet. But what we really wanted to, you know, share with everybody is that God expects us to be able to be his hands and feet wherever we are. And like you said, we spend 80% of our time at work or most of us do. So I’m sure there are like some actionable things, especially when we, you know, we talking about actual biblical standards cause I’m sure you’d agree are there. And then we see in the world, like in my, in my world a lot of the marketing stuff I just, my eyes, I just heard my eyes when I see things that are very slimy and salesy and it just doesn’t feel thanked it to how we feel God would want us to do things with our business. Right. So there is a different standard for Christian entrepreneurs aside, we are expected to do things with the different views. It’s a help. It’s help us old break this down. What does it look like to be a Christian entrepreneur in the marketplace today?

Speaker 2: Yeah, you know I, I mentioned my experience in seminary and certainly there were a lot of irrelevant things that we discussed like authorship, controversies and, and I’ve heard it said that a lot of seminaries are wrestling with questions that nobody in the culture is asking. And, and that’s really, that’s really the truth and a lot of cases, certainly learning church history, all of this is very valuable. But one of the courses that really did make an impact on me was a course called biblical models of discipleship. And what the Lord really impressed on my heart is the, the primacy of this concept of discipleship and disciple making. That’s the great commission, right? To go into all the world and to make disciples. And disciple-making may sound like your pastor’s job. It may sound like the job of a train theologian, or it may sound like something that you do over coffee once a month with your mentee, the person, you’re a quote unquote discipling.

Speaker 2: But I think when Jesus talked about discipling entire nations, you in order to disciple nations, you have to disciple every level of organization in between there. Churches, uh, families have to be discipled, companies have to be discipled. And, and so what disciple-making really is, and it’s, and its most condensed form is setting the standard. Paul said in First Corinthians 11 one imitate me is I am and say Christ. And that to me is the most clear definition of what discipleship is about. And, and so how do we set industry standards? I think anyone in business, uh, wants to, wants to weed their industry. They want to be setting industry standards. It’s not about kill the competition as a Christian, it’s about setting the standard and going to the word of God into the wedding. The Holy Spirit guides us into our accounting practices, into our risk management practices and leadership and manage all these different concepts that are so important in business.

Speaker 1: So what does that mean exactly when you know, we talk about discipleship, as I said, it’s sometimes it’s hard to think of that’s a church concept. What does that look like when you are in business? Like does that, based on your, your decisions you’re hiring, I mean I suppose that’s all of the above, but how would we break this down and in terms of helping someone who is an entrepreneur who’s running a business in terms of like the decision making, is there like a, a yard stick that you like to, to, to measure things by?

Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the, one of the questions I think really odd people ought to wrestle with and identify, Eh, is, is this issue of spiritual gifts. Like if you want to know if it’s about, if it’s about looking like Jesus being a disciple and then helping others to look like Jesus, which will then shape entire cultures to look like Jesus. Paul talks about, uh, the, this, this concept of the body of Christ, right? So if want to know what Jesus looks like, you will get the body of Christ. We are supposed to believe it or not, Christian, you and I are supposed to be the best representation of Jesus to our world that they’re ever going to see. And, and so Paul then unpack this a little bit more and says that the body, as our physical bodies are made up of arms and legs and elbows and so on, the body of Christ is made up of a spiritual gifts.

Speaker 2: So administration and teaching and leadership and all of these gifts is encouragement. And the, the interesting thing is that how relevant are those gifts to your work in business? I mean Mimika how, how much do you encourage people in the marketplace? Like that’s, that’s your role. That’s what you’re doing on this show, right? I mean, you’re teaching, these are all spiritual gifts. That exhortation, uh, those are all spiritual gifts that the award is given to the bio Christ so that when the culture looks at us, they see a, they see Jesus. And, and so they don’t see selfish ambition because you can have a gift. And there are plenty of incredible administrators out there running fortune 500 companies and so on that are motivated by greed, by selfish ambition, which we are all predisposed to because of our sin nature that has been nailed to the cross. I hope if you’re a, if you’re a Christian, which we’re celebrating this week on, on Easter, uh, but, but we, we need to be motivated by the fruit of the spirit. Love, joy, peace, patience, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness and self control. And then as those gifts are fueled by the fruit of the spirit, that’s when the culture begins to see Jesus in us. So as a practical step from this segment of the interview, I would say find out what your spiritual gifts are.

Speaker 1: Does that mean that that is key? I love these personality tests. I mean the simple ones that you can, um, you can do but I know there is one. I think if you just Google spiritual gifts tastes and Google one comes up cause I think wouldn’t you say it’s important that once we know Australians, cause you know these a lot of comparison in the world at the whole day even get me started with the Fomo. You know you look online and I go oh my gosh so and so’s doing this. But I think what as a Christian entrepreneur wouldn’t you say it’s a matter of mindset and the focus that we’re not worried about what science is doing is that God gives us our own strategic plan for our own walk. But would you say, how does the mindset adjustment work with that?

Speaker 2: Yeah, with with understanding our spiritual gifts. I mean there, there is a, in our culture in this kind of comes from Darwinism, it dog eat dog competition. Like looking and you can just go on Facebook and start to feel it, feel that, that, that, that just wicked desire to just be better than somebody else. Uh, instead of just being better than who you were yesterday and allowing God to renew our mind and just get better at becoming who God has has really made us to be. I think when you have a disciple making approach, you’re not worried about what somebody else is doing. You’re just trying to set biblical standards for Your Business to point people toward Jesus in the scripture is just so rich in teaching about, uh, everything from, from marketing to risk management. So business law, all of these different issues pertaining to our, to our business.

Speaker 2: One, one thing I would also say about spiritual gifts assessments, and this is not just a shameless plug for my book, which there’s a spiritual gifts assessment in the back for specifically designed for marketplace Christians. Uh, because one of the reasons I designed that assessment is because typically when I would take a spiritual gifts assessment through my local church, what’s the goal? What’s the pastor’s goal in having you take that assessment? Is it to help you identify what your gifts are so you can use them better use them in the marketplace? No, in my experience it’s been okay. Well if, if your spiritual gifts is, um, is worship, then we have a great, maybe you’re, if assuming you pass the singing audition, um, maybe you’d be good to put on our, on our worship team. And, and, and, and actually the questions are designed like, are you, are you good at singing? Rate yourself on that. Like that’s not what spiritual gifts are about. Like the, the tone of your, the tone of your voice. Like there are spiritual, one of my good friends, Shay binds, she has this spiritual gift of worship that just shows up in everything she does. Like from the way she kind of welcomes guests to or podcasts to just, she’s always just,

Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we say we’ve had on American TV too. So you will find, you will say Shae Bynes. And her thing is that the grace versus grind, which is also something that’s really relevant. But yes,

Speaker 2: yes, yes. And, and, and it’s, but it’s also founded on this, this gift of worship that she has. She’s like, you know, why would we just waste our time? Like burning ourselves out and just miss the majesty and goodness of God and the process and, and so those gifts are what really reveal Jesus, I think, in the marketplace.

Speaker 1: So, and it is, it’s pretty much, you know, being who you are, being genuine to who you are and who God designed you to be. Because I think that’s definitely, we get over that part of trying to be who we are, not because of course that we all need asset, that’s what we call the body, right? We all need hands and feet and eyes and we all form a, a, we all have a job, the body to actually do things. So I love how that is, you know, based on whether you are, no matter what your business model is with your service consulting or product or whatever it is, it’s kind of like, it’s really like when you say more like a, a, um, a way of really deciding on how will I approach this. Everything from relationships. So like if you have a conflict at work, you know, what would Jesus do? I mean to quote the whole saying we’ve had before, so if we had to break it down into actual tangible tips, what can someone actually do now? Like if there was, say they’re in their business, you know they’re in the world. I feel like they want to show that they want to have their faith more part of what their businesses, they don’t want to be bashing people over the head with a bottle, but they want to be able to walk this out. What does that look like and how can we help them?

Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I’m in business school you will get a course on marketing, you’ll get a course on risk management, business law, all these different topics. And so what I’ve done in this course, biblical standards for businesses is to look at each of these different MBA type courses and then see what does the Bible say about each one of these. And so one that I’m most entrepreneurs are interested in, if you’re not, you’re probably not growing your business is marketing. And so as, as Christians, we don’t just have to look to the latest guru on LinkedIn for tips on marketing. We can look no further than Jesus for the strategies in the principles of marketing. And actually talked about that in the book marketing like Jesus, and also talk about it in the course as well. But Jesus, who has been more of a strategic influencer.

Speaker 2: I’m more of an effective strategic influencer than Jesus and nobody, not Steve Jobs, not, um, a Richard Branson or, or anybody else. I mean, we have, I mean, millions and millions of people will go to church on Sunday morning, uh, because because of a man who lived 2000 over 2000 years ago. And so looking at what of certainly somebody rises from the dead, that’s going to get some people’s attention. But what I, what I’ve done is to really look at some of the principles like having a target group. So this is something a very practical for your listeners. Often as the CEO of a publishing company, I’m talking to authors and I’ll ask them, who is this book for? And often the response I get, Oh, is it my book is for everybody. Well, if that that’s, that’s nice.

Speaker 1: Nobody there. Right. You hit the Jackpot.

Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah. As Zig Ziglar said, if you aim at nothing, you’ll hit it every time. Yep. And, and so there was a moment where a woman was requesting a deliverance for her demon possessed. And Jesus basically tells her, I haven’t come for, she was a Samaritan woman. I haven’t come for uh, anyone other than the lost sheep of the House of Israel. So he had a very clearly defined target group for his ministry. Otherwise, you know, maybe he would have just kind of packed up and gone on this long journey, kind of go, go explore some other countries, especially when he wasn’t well received and you know, certain parts of, of his own country. But no, he just, he knew that his father was calling him to focus on that specific group of people. And so it was a loss. It was the, the house of Israel.

Speaker 2: But then he also gets more specific that it’s the lost sheep of the House of Israel. And so these were the people that were on the fringes of society and these were the ordinary people that he brought onto his core team who would then become, you know, the street team that would go out, literally the street team that would go out into the highways and the hedges to go and proclaim the good news. And nearly all of them got martyred. And, and, and so how, who is your target group? Really define that clearly. And then of course, ultimately his vision was to make disciples of all nations. So nobody had a bigger vision than Jesus or don’t. But because sometimes we think that if we, if we focus and aim small, that we’re not having a big enough vision now have a big vision, but have a target group, uh, until you have more resources to reach the entire universe.

Speaker 1: Yeah. And it’s kind of like, especially in know, you need to be specific enough to that need. I mean, this is what I talk about and train him in my books and courses as well. You have to decide who’s who you can serve and you, you can, and it’s okay to say no. Like I can’t help you that you, it’s just not my wheel house. Um, I think it wouldn’t you say then is once we’ve stepped into knowing who we are, first of all, as you said, the spiritual gifts in knowing who are we. So then being able to provide a solution, um, that’s when the business success comes from was when all the pieces they fit together.

Speaker 2: That’s right. Yeah. I mean, being able to, cause if you, if you were to ask somebody, well, you know, what does the Bible say? You’re a Christian. You’re wanting to honor God with your business. But typically that stops at, well, I’m supposed to just give money in the offering plate, for example. So that’s the purpose of, of money. Uh, and dealing with this idea of unrighteous mammon is just sort of a necessary evil. Of course there’s a lot more, just had a great conversation with somebody yesterday about that passage in Luke 16, but there’s so much more there. And because it’s, it’s in the marketplace where we are able to, uh, to, to truly to truly make disciples but having a holistic view of the business and to start to identify, for example, I had a group of entrepreneurs from our church over at our house last night and we do it every couple of weeks.

Speaker 2: And the topic was accounting and accountability because as in, as an entrepreneur, you know, when you talk to somebody about accounting, they’re like, oh, I outsourced that. Well that’s, I mean as a, especially as a Christian entrepreneur, you are first and foremost is a steward of what God has, has entrusted to you, like in the parable of the talents. Uh, and virtually all of Jesus’s parables, the main character is a steward, a manager, whether some type of resource manager. And, and so we were just kind of looking at how do we, um, how do we step up our game and the way that we are, uh, taking accountability. Cause we will give an account, you know, the Bible is very clear that we will be called to give an account for the deeds done in the body. And so that day is coming and there are rewards by the way, which go far beyond your paycheck.

Speaker 2: Uh, and, and, and so we need to look at what, what is God’s expectation and definition of accounting and accountability. Because from the biblical standpoint, it goes far beyond quickbooks. It really is. How do you, um, you know, speaking of quickbooks, and this is one example of how not to do it and I’ll tell you about a company that has um, they have bible verses on the backs of their business card. We went in there to talk to them about implementing a particular system and an inventory management system cause they wanted to start selling online. And he said, Whoa, Whoa, whoa. We’ve been audited before. And we have found that it is better for us to just give them, you know, several boxes full of receipts and documents and stuff. They have to try to sift through then to let, give them access to our quickbooks so they can see very quickly the health of our books and whether we’re doing things above board is really kind of what he was saying.

Speaker 2: Because if they just give him four boxes full of documents, then they don’t really know how to make sense of it and they don’t have to really give a, a true account of what’s going on in the business. And this was a company that has bible verses on the back of their business card. Okay. So I don’t know what type of, you know, Christian, a Christ centered business. He thought he was running and that’s not even the half of it. So we pretty much like, okay, we’re gonna, we’re gonna just, you know, back bow out of this, uh, this whole, this whole deal and we’re not going to be a part of that kind of, uh, that kind of an approach. So that’s just one, uh, one example, but accounting is, uh, is so, so near and dear to God’s heart.

Speaker 1: I mean, definitely it’s like how we assess where we at. It’s, you know, more than just finances as well. Also growth and you’re having an accountability person or like I love, um, you know, running masterminds or being in a group where you can actually have someone else who can kind of look at what you’re doing and saying, hey, you know, you know, you’re doing this but maybe you should try this or maybe that isn’t so good luck as you said, that makes you uncomfortable. Like for someone to profess to say, Hey, I’m a Christian entrepreneur, but then to go and behave like that, that’s where I would say, would you say the, the, the line in the sand needs to be drawn. We needed to decide how we want to show up in the world and how we want to be God’s ambassadors. And it’s, we have a different set of rules.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And you know, some of that overlaps into risk management. You know, a big part of, of risk management. I mean, a great name is worth more than gold. The Bible says. And so from a, from a PR risk management standpoint, like are you, you do need to, I’m not talking about in a, uh, unrighteous sort of way where you have this fear of man where you’re, you’re just constantly checking your stats to see how much people like you. And this is that, that’s, that goes back into, uh, the wrong way to do accounting, which is the way that David took his census the right way to do it as how Moses took his senses, which is, you know, we could go into that. Um, but, yeah, take a look at like, how are you showing up on Google? Like how are you, what are people saying about you?

Speaker 2: What is the feedback that you’re getting taken inventory of what your customers and clients actually think about you? And you might get some, um, some very critical feedback. I mean, in my industry, I, um, the CEOs companies that have, I’m in a book book publishing company, there are CEO’s in my industry that have gone to prison because they’re not paying out the royalties to the authors. And so what I decided is that we are not going to have any, we’re not gonna, we’re not even going to get close to having an appearance that our authors are not getting paid their money and that they’re not getting a good account of, of the sales. And, and so how do you do that when you have all these different books and these different sales channels? So what I was able to do in a couple of different hacks, basically because Amazon is not set up to notify 60 different people, uh, about each time an individual inner 60 different items sell.

Speaker 2: Um, Shopify is, and set up to do that. But we found a way for our authors to get in real time when they’re books sells online and, and so that, that is just one of the, one of the ways that God has just spoken to me about how, and nobody in the publishing industry is doing this, that I’m aware of. Uh, you typically this, the industry standard is, you know, maybe like four to two to four times a year you get a check and you get maybe a number of how many books sold and that’s, that’s pretty much it. You have no clue. Uh, who bought them, how they, so when they,

Speaker 1: cause I had my first two books were traditionally published and every six months I get this printout, very basic, very basic spreadsheet of Oh, this is what your check is, your commissioners. But I don’t know where they were sold, how they were sold, what versions were solved, you know, who is buying in these absolutely no control, which is why I ended up self publishing. But I know that’s a whole other story. But yeah, I mean, and that’s again, it’s like we feel like we’ve got to be honest in the way that we handle our customers, our clients. We’ve, we’ve got to be honest in how, you know, being that transparency I think, and that’s, we kind of the techie hits the tar as we say in South Africa where you rubber meets the road, right? Where you have to say, okay, if this is what I believe God’s challenging me to do this with the different standards, you know, might not, maybe it means you don’t make as much money. I mean that could mean, but you know, God’s rule would of those who are faithful. So yeah, got to agree with that

Speaker 2: station with another publishing of the staff at another, sorry to cut you off another publishing company yesterday and was just explaining this to them. Like how do we go about doing that? And yeah, like it’s kind of a differentiator for us to be able to say like, you might’ve had an experience where, you know, like you’re talking about where you had no clue how many actually sold. I mean, you’re just kind of taking the publisher’s word for it. But again, some of these CEOs had been going to prison because they are not, they’re there, you know, there’s a lot of fraud going on in the industry. And so it was able to basically let them know that this is a, this is something you probably should try to implement and their business and your business so your authors can, can know what’s happening. And that’s, that’s, I don’t look at them as competitors. Um, but as an opportunity to make disciples because I think this is a type of thing that, that Jesus would do in a business.

Speaker 1: Definitely. So it’s kind of like shining up into saying, hey, you know, this is why it might’ve been done at this for years, but here’s a better way of doing it. And the end of the day, it’s a win win for everybody, right? When everyone actually, everyone’s happy. Like in your case, you know, the authors happy, publishes happy, the read is happy. So I think that is like totally fabulous. I know we’ve covered a lot of content. If we had to sort of wrap it up in one takeaway, what would you say to everybody today?

Speaker 2: Yeah, really dive into this concept of discipleship and, and, and, and also your identity as a royal priest that you’re not, there’s this idea that there are, there are kings and priests and your pastors, the priests in you’re the king if you’re in the marketplace. No. First Peter two nine says that you are a royal priesthood. So you were at once a king and a priest. So that that’s really the first thing is to recognize your identity that you are, no, you’re not a second class Christian. You’re not as second class, um, believer because of you don’t stand behind a pulpit or something like that. Uh, but then again, I want to remind people to go and find out what your gifts are because when Paul talks about the body of Christ, having members, if you want to know what the body of Christ looks like, look at the members of the body of Christ, which are administration.

Speaker 2: And the way we teach, the way we exhort, all of these different gifts are the, are the ways in which we represent Jesus in the, in the marketplace. And then get a more holistic view about what the Bible actually says about business. Because it’s not just about, uh, you know, be a good person. Try not to steal from anybody and you know, make sure that you’re giving in the offering plate, uh, to things that, that matter to God. But no, look at, cause this is a primary place where you and I are making disciples is in our business. And so what does the Bible say about accounting and marketing and risk management and all of the HR, all the different facets of business?

Speaker 1: Definitely. So it’s kind of all the pieces make up the whole part. And it’s how we put them all together that in radio, because at the end of the day, we’re doing this for God’s glory, right? Yeah. I mean, our business does pay the bills and you know, it’s, it’s supports our families. But at the end of the day, we do want to be able to be good ambassadors for the kingdom and what he’s doing. So I’m going to say I’m really appreciate all this client. Now you’re not gonna talk about Arrow cause I mean there’s so many stories we could go into, but I appreciate your time. But would you be able to be pray for our audience? I’m sure they’d love to have some activation from you, from someone who’s been there before.

Speaker 2: Yes, we’ll have we father, thank you first of all for room Mimika and this, this ministry, this show and for how you’re using it for your glory to, uh, to exhort people to, to, to exhort the body of Christ, to step into our calling in the marketplace and just lift up every listener, every viewer right now who is, uh, especially those who are struggling feeling like maybe they’re getting a little bit burnout or things just aren’t working or they’re just feeling a sense of purpose. Listeners are they, they sense that something is a, is a miss. Like they’re missing out on God’s best. God, I pray that you would just make that plain to them what steps they need to take and, and that people would come, people would totally a step into that identity and not let the culture, not even let the, the church, uh, cause any distortion of that unique ministry role in assignment they have there in the marketplace. And we thank you for that. In Jesus’ name. Amen.

Speaker 1: Amen. Thanks for that. Yeah, definitely love these praise. Cause you know, when you said you driving in the car or are you running on the treadmill, you doing the dishes? Um, it’s, you know, it was great to be able to hear that, that you know, you’re not alone. That we’re all in this together. We all have a very important part to play in God’s kingdom in bringing God’s kingdom on earth. And what we do is important and it matters. So if everyone wants to be able to get in touch with you, what’s the best way to find you online? Your resources? Where can they find you?

Speaker 2: Yes. If you’re interested in book publishing, go to High bridge That’s h I g H bridge and if you want to learn more about the theology of business and even go through the course that I created a release less, uh, this past September, it’s available also a theology of You can go to a theology of forward slash B S F B which stands for biblical standards for business.

Speaker 1: That’d be awesome. And we’ll have these links in the show notes. So no matter what platform you watching or listening on, you could scroll below and we’ll have those links so you can get in touch with Darren and make sure if you enjoy what he had to say today, make sure to share it with your friends. I’m sure you know somebody else who could really benefit from the real nuggets of what we discussed today. So make sure to click those buttons and share below and add your comments. We love to have the co, you know, keep the conversation going. Any aha moments, any sort of insights or questions you might have. You know, it is not, we want to stand in agreement with you with what God has assigned you to do in this season. So make sure to do that. And if you want more free resources that are already share with my newsletter community, go to Monica, and we have a freebie section.

Speaker 1: So everything from you can grab my, my free ebook mindset makeover, how to renew your mind and walk in God’s authority, which I think is a very important partner as you say, Darren, this is the mindset cause we talked about that. Absolutely. And I’m, if you also want other resources like my new book, that is how to build your platform with the purpose. Um, you know, pretty much if you want to get your message out, they using marketing principles that are not sleazy or slimy, they come in line with what God’s word says about things. Make sure to go to and get those resources today. So I’m going to say thank you so much for being on the show with me today, Darren. I so appreciate you insights and I’m busy reading your book, Christians in the marketplace, which is totally fabulous. It definitely do advise that. And I know as an author I want to, I’m going to tell everybody, if you are watching an old, you have read Darren’s books, go and review them, authors need reviews, fees, go and do that today and go and check out. And wouldn’t you say, Oh do you, are you looking for authors? Is that something you do as well? You some idea,

Speaker 2: absolutely looking for authors and especially books on faith and work faith and business integration. So like I believe you just interviewed Janine’s in one of our, one of our authors and her book clarify and that, those are the types of books that we especially love to publish.

Speaker 1: Perfect. We’ll definitely say, I know I have a lot of authors and speakers who were like, oh honey, you write a book. And part of the process of what I teach is how to get yourself a platform set up. So when you have that book you can go and reach the people you mean to reach. So we will have those links as well if you want to get connected with Darren and a minion. Yes. So that is fabulous. Well, thank you so much for joining me. I so appreciate you taking the time today.

Speaker 2: Thanks for having me make it was a delight.

Speaker 1: Well, you ads and everyone listening, make sure to go and rate and review on iTunes or stitcher or whichever platform and subscribe on Youtube. We would love to keep you in touch again. Until next time, take care. Ready to build a platform with a purpose. Come to and download your free checklist. How to build your platform in 30 days.